Nice analysis, thanks!
With shit like this I’d say the /r/Haskell is done for.
If you want to sunset r/haskell as a medium of information exchange starting now, that’s absolutely fine. But saying
The sub-Reddit will stay private until further notice
is disrespectful to all the people who’ve put in time to write meaningful comments (in particular answers to tons of questions) there. Please bring it back in read only mode with a redirect to here so that people who enter through Reddit will know what’s up and where to go.
Don’t just leave it private, this serves no-one.
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Don’t worry. Anybody can take over an “inactive” subreddit and re-open it with a new staff.
(cue freenode helicopter flashbacks)
Is there a way to make it public again, but where you can’t post anything new, and with a link in the community description saying “hey, we moved to discourse”.
If you’re able to do this, it might be a better option for:
A) the people who’ve given valuable information over the years on that platform
B) the people who’re searching for that valuable information
C) the people in this discourse community was well (:
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Let me amend my statement from my original announcement: The sub-Reddit will continue to be private until further notice. However at some point in the not too distant future, it will re-open in read-only mode.
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Are there any tools out there that let you archive a copy of an entire subreddit (all posts, comments)? Doing this may be time sensitive before the new API limits set in.
It would be nice to preserve the posts/comments and make them searchable if SHTF and the content becomes unavailable.
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I will echo some views… let’s stay off Reddit forever now and never go back.
I appreciate you maintaining this discourse. What’s missing here are upvotes, etc.
Any chance we could migrate to Lemmy? It has a lot more Reddit-like functionality (upvotes, etc).
I don’t know if Lemmy is a good idea. The way Lemmy handles images is pretty bad, and that makes it hard to moderate: Allow all admins to purge content · Issue #2976 · LemmyNet/lemmy · GitHub
Last I checked, whenever you upload a image to Lemmy, Lemmy just gives you a url to the image. You don’t even have to publish the post to keep the image uploaded. That, and there isn’t any way to trace the image back to its original post or even user.
A couple of times (that I know of) what happened was one of the main Lemmy instances (lemmy.ml?) was being used as a cdn for csam under the admins’ noses and one of those times got them taken down for a couple of days due to an automated report.
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Why is the subreddit closure being forced upon users who don’t believe there is anything wrong with the API changes? Reddit is a company after all, and they are entitled to do with their website, app, API, etc. as the see fit.
If anyone is unhappy with the platform for whatever reason, they can resign (if moderator) and/or leave (if regular user) without impacting the rest of us, who either don’t care or completely understand the financial/business point of view of Reddit’s decisions.
TLDR: please reopen the subreddit; if you as an individual want to leave, do so without bringing others unwillingly with you.
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Why is the subreddit closure being forced upon users who don’t believe there is anything wrong with the API changes?
You could start your own Haskell-related subreddit, I guess?
Haskell is just a hobby/interest for me, and considering I already participate more actively in other communities, I wouldn’t be able to moderate a hypothetical /r/haskell2 so I don’t see how that’s feasible, although I do believe new subreddits being created will be the most likely outcome in many cases should they continue with a permanent blackout.
I’m not being confrontational about the issue, I just believe that regarding the API pricing reddit can charge however much they want. When you go to a restaurant or shop and find an item too expensive for your taste you don’t boycott them or cause a scene in such a way that you impact other people eating or shopping, you just leave.
By the same argument, can’t the Reddit mods and community do whatever they want with the community they’ve built over the years? Granted, presumably not every Haskell Reddit participant wants it to go dark but it seems like most are content with that policy.
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I mean they are able to do so, as in have the capacity, but I find it ironic they are complaining about imposed changes and then taking a non-consensual action in the form of making the subreddit private.
I don’t presume to know every /r/haskell user’s opinion on this, but, in other subreddits, e.g., /r/embedded or /r/freebsd, the “keep open” option is supported by a non-negligible amount of people, in some cases more than those in favour of a blackout (and that’s discounting the many lurkers who feel indifferent about the whole thing).
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A point of information may be relevant here. A discussion on the matter was held (because of the blackout you won’t be able to see it unless you’re a subscriber) and there was very little dissent to participation in the blackout. Indeed the top rated comment, in support of the participation, had 138 upvotes.
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For comedy purposes, /r/cpp, /r/cprogramming (if I recall correctly), /r/java, /r/python, /r/javascript, and other major languages are also on strike.
/r/clojure, /r/rust, /r/fsharp, /r/elixir, are scabs; i.e, languages that are too fringe (with the exception of /r/rust) to afford a Reddit closure.
So, this shouldn’t be seen as merely a blackout by the /r/Haskell moderators.
While I think people here wouldn’t have objected if /r/Haskell had moved alone, I would be sympathetic if /r/Haskell had done so, but given that everyone’s bombed their reddit interfaces, a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what’s the problem?
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Sorry Liamzy, I didn’t want to give the impression this only has to do with /r/haskell, I’m only focusing on it as this is the alternative discussion forum which was displayed when I attempted to access the subredit. I’m also present in #haskell on libera but the type of information/discussion is very different due to the inherent differences between irc and a forum.
Regarding the subreddits that are open/closed there are numerous cases on both sides; that I visit:
- open: /r/rust, /r/reactjs, /r/kotlin, /r/c_programming, /r/androiddev, and the ones I listed earlier.
- closed: /r/haskell, /r/javascript, /r/java, /r/linux, /r/math, /r/machinelearning.
To tomjaguarpaw’s point, I don’t visit the subreddit daily, more like a couple times a week, so I didn’t even see it. About votes, as I said, their representation is by definition going to be biased towards people that visit daily and/or are more vocal.
In any case, I don’t want to seem ranting about it. I’m saddened about the closure, and I sincerely hope the subreddit reopens because if communities segregate across many different forums, websites, they will all require a different account and will be isolated from each other.
FWIW, you don’t seem to be ranting to me. You’re entitled (and I hope encouraged) to share your opinion!
From what I have seen, most of the avid/contributing participants were pro-blackout (only suggesting read-only at worst). IIRC, tbe post has been up for like 5 days, and it was quite popular as well. I suspect most of the participants indeed took a look and expressed their opinion via voting.
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