r/Haskell will remain read-only

[maxigit]

I don’t have a twitter account.

[cdsmith]

I’m very much glad that Discourse is more active than ever, since we’ve now lost one of the most active parts of the Haskell community, and it will help mitigate the damage if one of the less active parts can step up a little. But the fact remains that Discourse even in its “more active than ever” state has only a fraction of the activity that /r/haskell had on a slow day.

[Jappie]

yeah, I changed my mind, unification of communities is a dubious goal to pursue anyway. The internet is ruled by niches and trying to shoehorn everyone into whatever platform is trending this decade, will only shave off those on the peripheries. If peeps value the haskell sub despite being abused by reddit staff, let them be.

[Liamzy]

Is all that activity good, though? The actual reason I’ve used Discourse much less is because I feel that Discourse posting expects a much higher quality than /r/Haskell posting.

I think it’s part of the platform; Reddit has a relatively low median of quality when it comes to post quality (attracts cheap asides and bon mots), whereas this Discourse is primarily an artifact of the Haskell community and follows Haskell averages and medians.

That is ironically a reason that a /r/Haskell-like platform is useful; i.e, it’s a way to dump lower quality posts that the Haskell community would only tolerate, not enjoy.

[maxigit]

I’m not sure the “quality” as anything to do with the platform but more with the policy of the moderators.
Anyway I tend to just no read the post I don’t “enjoy”. It’s not like we are flooded with posts on any of the platforms.

[philh]

I think it would be easy to mix up “low quality” and “low barrier for entry” here, but I think that would be a mistake. E.g. the monthly Hask anything have a low barrier for entry, in that I don’t feel the need to do lots of research and try exhaustively to solve my problem and think of a descriptive title before I post to them. And I think you get some high-quality things there that wouldn’t have been posted to discourse or even as a reddit submission, so I think it’s good to have a space like that.

[maxigit]

I personnaly find the “monthly hask” thread and anti-thread as it’s hard to see what’s new and I think every question deserve it’s own thread.

[nikita-volkov]

Waiting and holding 75k subscribers of r/haskell hostage with each day causing more and more damage

[nikita-volkov]

61.9% of people consider closing r/haskell a destructive action according to a poll. See https://twitter.com/NikitaYVolkov/status/1675436647544922112?s=20.

[wiz]

according to a poll of 84 who are active on Twitter

[ParetoOptimalDev]

@nikita-volkov

61.9% of people consider closing r/haskell a destructive action according to a poll. See https://twitter.com/NikitaYVolkov/status/1675436647544922112?s=20 .

Praise the twitter Gods.

Today they actually allow users not logged in to view tweets and your poll.

You may want to screenshot it though in case they take that ability away again tomorrow.

[nikita-volkov]

How many votes were used as the basis for Taylor’s decision to close a platform of 75k subscribers? As I understand roughly 100. And I say roughly because there was no poll, but some discussion thread with no clear numbers.

Any way 100 out of 75k makes 0.1%.

[atravers]

[some percentage] of people consider closing r/haskell a destructive action […]

…if moderators begin to lose their “battle-hardened” tools they rely on to do their work effectively, wouldn’t that also be destructive - not just to r/haskell but Reddit-the-brand more generally?

[philh]

@nikita-volkov

Waiting and holding 75k subscribers of r/haskell hostage with each day causing more and more damage

I advocate continued patience. I don’t think a few extra days of closure at this point makes much difference.

@atravers

…if moderators begin to lose their “battle-hardened” tools they rely on to do their work effectively, wouldn’t that also be destructive - not just to r/haskell but Reddit-the-brand more generally?

Stipulated, but…

Presumably you’re not just asking a rhetorical question for the sake of it. I assume you’re trying to lead people to some conclusion. Can you say more explicitly what you’re going for? I think I have some idea, and I think I disagree. But it’s hard to disagree productively with an argument that’s only been hinted at.

[atravers]

@philh

I advocate continued patience […]

as suggested here:

r/Haskell will remain read-only

I suggest to involve the Haskell Foundation (@david-christiansen) on this matter as a mediator. They could talk to the decision makers, the critics, to haskell.org, etc. …purely in a moderating/supporting capacity. Maybe we can resolve this easily. If not, users who wish to create a new community might get broader support through this channel.

which, like you, I have also agreed with. This is something else I’m agreeing with:

@bradrn

[…] it bothers me a lot to see so much unproductive argument.

…which presumably would include “snap polls” on deliberately-antagonistic questions, which my rhetorical question challenged. With that done, I now resume my patient wait for the HF to make known their comment/s on this matter.

[david-christiansen]

I just had a really nice conversation with @taylorfausak . The HF is going to handle the transition of the subreddit moderation to a new mod team, reopening it in the process. It’s late here, so I’m going to go to bed, but I’ll put up a proper announcement and timeline tomorrow.

Taylor - thanks for all your hard work on the subreddit, and your continuing production of the community survey and Haskell Weekly.

[Liamzy]

Not happy with the subreddit coming back online with the only change being the loss of taylorfausak as moderator (it’d have been a stronger showing for /r/haskell to have been seized by Reddit, i.e, we fought the good fight but lost), but Haskell Foundation managing /r/haskell in the interim is a positive in my book.

Here’s to hoping for a better tomorrow.

[bradrn]

Thanks to you and the HF for sorting this out! And thanks to @taylorfausak, too, for staying calm and reasonable while handling this difficult incident — I have a feeling that no matter how this situation was managed, people would have gotten annoyed no matter what.

[jackdk]

Personally, I’m enjoying being off my reddit habit and I hope more people keep posting here.

[kamek-pf]

Following up on this, the ActivityPub plugin for Discourse was just merged, so we should technically be able to federate with anything in the Fediverse.